This past week or two I have been reading through 1 Corinthians all the while reading through the New Testament and several passages throughout Corinthians really made it clear to me why there is such a debate about God and the reasons why God debates can get so fierce and drawn out.
Since all absolute truths are derived from God and thusly through the Bible (morality for example), we need the Spirit of God to rightly understand the truths. 1 Cor. 2 explains this idea in more detail. Specifically 1 Corinthians 2:14 tells us that people who do not have the spirit of God (Holy Spirit) will not understand what comes from God. This comes a long way explaining why great minds such as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchins will vehemently attack Christianity and Creationism. These two men and many, many others will put full faith into ideas that are mere hopes of scientists who need a God they can control. It takes much faith to believe everything came from nothing opposed to everything came from something or two laws/theories that are in direct contradiction with each other (Law of Entropy and the the Theory of Evolution). Anything from God is plain foolishness to them! It then makes sense why 1 Corinthians 3:18-19 calls men of the world considered wise are actually fools. They can't understand and thus reject the absolute truth given to us from the creator of themselves and the entire universe.
For this reason alone, the great debate will never end. When Dawkins passes away, there will be another great mind to take his place. The best Christians and apologist can do is to give the facts and pray that the Holy Spirit can touch the lives of the people we debate. They simply can't understand what we are saying because the Holy Spirit isn't there to help.
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Circular reasoning is not proof of anything.
Entropy and Evolution do not contradict by the way.
So basically what you're saying is you have absolutely no idea what Entropy and Evolution say about the REAL world?? And your trying to somehow make an analogy to your fantasy land?
This is utter nonsense. No, the reason the "debate" goes on forever is because people like you misuse and abuse science constantly. Also, for the record Richard Dawkins has FACTS, actual ones. They are literally tangible, you can do experiments and observe them. What do you have? You don't have facts, you have a book that can't reproduce anything experimentally.
And the absolute truth of morality? Really??? Have you even read that book? You should stone children if they disobey? If a woman is raped she should be forced to marry her rapist for 30 shekels... are you kidding me?? Well... now we all know where your moral standards are.
I'm still waiting for you to e-mail/respond to my other comments by the way.
So basically what you're saying is you have absolutely no idea what Entropy and Evolution say about the REAL world??
Quite an extrapolation.
And your trying to somehow make an analogy to your fantasy land?
Not a fantasy land, but the New Kingdom
No, the reason the "debate" goes on forever is because people like you misuse and abuse science constantly.
Again, another extrapolation. Any scientist who does not bow down to the doctrine of Evolution abuses science? Science is built on weaknesses that are found such as Evolution
Also, for the record Richard Dawkins has FACTS, actual ones.
Nope, he has evidence. And I have the same evidence, and so do you. The difference is how Dawkins interprets the evidence according to his presuppositions.
They are literally tangible, you can do experiments and observe them.
Yes, and so do Creationists.
You don't have facts, you have a book that can't reproduce anything experimentally.
The Book is absolute truth. Creation scientists use the book for a starting point because, well, it comes from the Creator of everything himself. Of course I wouldn't expect you to understand this because it is from God, and to discern what God is saying you need the Holy Spirit. I am here just to give you the absolute truths God has given us and let the Holy Spirit do the rest of the work.
And the absolute truth of morality? Really??? Have you even read that book? You should stone children if they disobey? If a woman is raped she should be forced to marry her rapist for 30 shekels... are you kidding me?? Well... now we all know where your moral standards are.
You are referring to laws that were in place in a time way different than today. They worked quite well for the era and were directed towards a specific group of people so they could become the nation to born the Savior. Moral law that I am referring to is the Ten Commandments, and I am certain you can argue with the values of that.
I'm still waiting for you to e-mail/respond to my other comments by the way.
Email me then with what you said.
"The Book is absolute truth."
Proof please.
Quite an extrapolation.
Based on the rest of your commentary here... no it's really not.
Nope, he has evidence.
...so... you don't know what facts are...??
Yes, and so do Creationists.
hahahahahhahaha...
They worked quite well for the era and were directed towards a specific group of people so they could become the nation to born the Savior.
You are not a moral human being.
Email me then with what you said.
Are you seriously so inept that you can't use your own blog and look at comments?!?!?!?
You're the one who said you would e-mail me and I gave you my e-mail address. What's wrong with you? Heck, you can click on my name to retrieve that information. You people claiming that you "want the truth" or "bring the truth" aren't even interested in what happens in the real world, you couldn't care less what other people think or know.
You can't even keep track of a conversation in your OWN blog... how can I ever expect you to keep up or understand something like Entropy as a non-scientist.
@ I am/Anath?
Since God created everything, information we are given directly from God (The Bible) is an absolute because he is the only "being" with infinite knowledge.
@ Adam
I am sorry if I didn't respond to you through email. My main goal is to just get a post out and, in general, respond once or so to people. So, for the future, if you want to keep discussing these things, it would be much better if you emailed me first and you kept what you are discussing and talking about in a good, clean order.
Again, circular reasoning is not proof of anything. You have to have solid axioms first. What you're basically saying is this:
"This is true because this is true"
and, in general, respond once or so to people
So... getting your facts correct is not really an interest of yours? Because apparently someone can't just say you're "wrong and here's why" you need to debate with them as to the validity of factual information...
it would be much better if you emailed me first
I could do this, but you haven't told me your e-mail, nor is it posted on your profile.
and you kept what you are discussing and talking about in a good, clean order.
My responses are in a good clean order, you're the one abusing science, logic, and infinity.
Again, circular reasoning is not proof of anything. You have to have solid axioms first. What you're basically saying is this:
"This is true because this is true"
In order to prove "math", you must use math. How can we know 2+2=4 without using math in the first place? It is impossible and ridiculous to expect me to not use the Bible to discuss/prove anything about the Bible. Just like it is ridiculous for you to show me mathematical proofs without using math.
@Adam
As I said before, this blog is more a venue for me to write down and publish ideas I have. It is not a place I desire to discuss things in any extent for three reasons: 1) It can get very messy to follow arguments and 2)There is a character limit to posting and 3)Like I said in the post, these debates go on forever (1 Cor. 2:14 and 3:18-19), and if I was to debate you in every subject, I would be sucking a lot of time to discussions that are fruitless. This doesn't mean that I don't want to discuss these things, it just means I am not going to be as stubborn as you and only argue certain points to a certain extent regardless if you think I have properly explained/justified myself. That is why I decided to only post back with actual rebuttals only once or twice. However, and please forgive me, I did forget to post my email, so if you want to keep this going email me at romber1 at gmail.com with everything in good order. I really don't need a headache trying to sort through who said what.
In order to prove "math", you must use math. How can we know 2+2=4 without using math in the first place? It is impossible and ridiculous to expect me to not use the Bible to discuss/prove anything about the Bible. Just like it is ridiculous for you to show me mathematical proofs without using math.
That's arithmetic, not math. Also it's a definition of addition, not a mathematical proof. Addition is defined as a summation operator, it's not actually a proof.
The difference, and you can't generate a math analogy, but the difference is that the Bible makes statements about the physical world and you can test whether they are true or false. Most of the time they are false.
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